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Zelektor Trasztam Joined: 8/15/2010 Quote: [none]	Does Torpor Orb stop this?	4/24/2012 7:11:59 PM
	Torpor Orb Buy does it 'stop' the following cards: Primeval Titan Buy can only get lands when attacking Phyrexian Metamorph Buy he dies when comes into play Warstorm Surge Buy i wont get any damage Fiend Hunter Buy becomes useless Snapcaster Mage Buy lol does it stop abilities like Bloodthrist and Soulbond? I'm considering starting a deck based on it for future standard


Rebel7284 Joined: 12/19/2002 Quote: Yeah, i'm better than him at spelling :) ~dragonlair so mono is a girl.Girls slap. hehe mono a girly girl. ~dragonlair The Lord works in mysterious ways, and is a svg virus writer. ~greenmaster Has anyone ever told you that you sound like a fortune cookie? ~MagDragon89 AIM: Rebel7284	RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	4/24/2012 7:45:24 PM
	Quoting Zelektor Trasztam:Torpor Orb Buy does it 'stop' the following cards: Primeval Titan Buy can only get lands when attacking Correct. Quoting Zelektor Trasztam: Phyrexian Metamorph Buy he dies when comes into play Incorrect, Phyrexian Metamorph Buy has a replacement effect and copies a creature AS it is coming into play. (If this was not the case, it would always die with its ability on stack) Quoting Zelektor Trasztam: Warstorm Surge Buy i wont get any damage Correct Quoting Zelektor Trasztam: Fiend Hunter Buy becomes useless It becomes a 1/3 with no triggered ability. Quoting Zelektor Trasztam: Snapcaster Mage Buy lol This loses the triggered ability as well. Quoting Zelektor Trasztam: does it stop abilities like Bloodthrist and Soulbond? I'm considering starting a deck based on it for future standard Triggered abilities are abilities that begin with the keyword "When", "Whenever" or "At" <Condition>. If a card is lacking those words, it is not a triggered ability. You have to check to full wording of keyworded abilities like Bloodthrist and Soulbond in the comprehensive rules to see if they are implemented as triggers. As I recall, both are.


evileskimocal Joined: 4/13/2004 Quote: "When Marge isn't happy, I'm not happy. And when I'm not happy, Moe's very happy. But for once, this isn't about Moe." "That's it, mister- I am disgruntled. And up until now, I was relatively gruntled." "Lisa, Vampires are make-believe, like elves, gremlins, and eskimos."	RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	4/24/2012 8:11:02 PM
	Quoting Rebel7284:You have to check to full wording of keyworded abilities like Bloodthrist and Soulbond in the comprehensive rules to see if they are implemented as triggers. As I recall, both are. Bloodthirst is not a triggered ability, thus Torpor Orb Buy won't disable it. 702.52a Bloodthirst is a static ability. “Bloodthirst N” means “If an opponent was dealt damage this turn, this permanent enters the battlefield with N +1/+1 counters on it.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic Rules Advisor AIM: clanlsg 2010 eMmies: Nicest Member 2009 eMmies: Most Likely to be Mod 2008 eMmies: Nicest Member, Best Sig, Funniest Member, Most Likely to be Mod <(-'.'-)> Q(-'.'-Q) <(-'.'-<) (>-'.'-)> O==(-.-Q) t(-'.'-t)


Sandman Joined: 9/21/2002 Quote: [none]	RE: RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	4/24/2012 10:11:21 PM
	Thanks but what about soulbond? that seems like a triggered ability


evileskimocal Joined: 4/13/2004 Quote: "When Marge isn't happy, I'm not happy. And when I'm not happy, Moe's very happy. But for once, this isn't about Moe." "That's it, mister- I am disgruntled. And up until now, I was relatively gruntled." "Lisa, Vampires are make-believe, like elves, gremlins, and eskimos."	RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	4/24/2012 10:26:07 PM
	Quoting Sandman:Thanks but what about soulbond? that seems like a triggered ability You are correct. Soulbond is a triggered ability. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic Rules Advisor AIM: clanlsg 2010 eMmies: Nicest Member 2009 eMmies: Most Likely to be Mod 2008 eMmies: Nicest Member, Best Sig, Funniest Member, Most Likely to be Mod <(-'.'-)> Q(-'.'-Q) <(-'.'-<) (>-'.'-)> O==(-.-Q) t(-'.'-t)


Olaf Forkbeard Joined: 10/14/2008 Quote: "Life before Loot."	RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	5/10/2012 1:34:13 PM
	"Enters the Battlefield with" is not the same as "When this card enters the battlefield". That's how I differentiate them.


Magidex42 Joined: 10/13/2011 Quote: [none]	RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	5/11/2012 10:03:15 PM
	^ Uh, it is though. Anything that refers to creatures entering the battlefield stops working. That's why Orb stops Warstorm/Pandemonium. Any ability that triggers on creatures entering the battlefield stops working. (Dark Rit -> Torpor Orb -> Phyrexian Dreadnaught) (lol.)


evileskimocal Joined: 4/13/2004 Quote: "When Marge isn't happy, I'm not happy. And when I'm not happy, Moe's very happy. But for once, this isn't about Moe." "That's it, mister- I am disgruntled. And up until now, I was relatively gruntled." "Lisa, Vampires are make-believe, like elves, gremlins, and eskimos."	RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	5/11/2012 10:15:54 PM
	Quoting Magidex42:^ Uh, it is though. Anything that refers to creatures entering the battlefield stops working. Incorrect. Torpor Orb Buy only stops triggered abilities. Abilities that say "enters the battlefield with ___" are static abilities, not triggered abilities, thus Torpor Orb Buy has no effect on them. Carnifex Demon Buy, for example, will still enter the battlefield with 2 -1/-1 counters when Torpor Orb Buy is on the battlefield. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Magic Rules Advisor AIM: clanlsg 2010 eMmies: Nicest Member 2009 eMmies: Most Likely to be Mod 2008 eMmies: Nicest Member, Best Sig, Funniest Member, Most Likely to be Mod <(-'.'-)> Q(-'.'-Q) <(-'.'-<) (>-'.'-)> O==(-.-Q) t(-'.'-t)


Magidex42 Joined: 10/13/2011 Quote: [none]	RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Torpor Orb stop this?	5/17/2012 3:47:10 PM
	Right, except I didn't have any of those cards in mind when I posted. You know how you don't mention something because you know it doesn't work anyways? Like that.

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