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Olaf Forkbeard
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Restoration Angel + Fiend Hunter + Fiend Hunter | 5/29/2012 2:05:04 PM |
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Well basically I want to know what happens assuming I use Restoration Angel Buy's effect as much as I can. Can this go Infinite? Cause if it can just add Seraph Sanctuary Buy. Restoration Angel Buy on Field, 2 Fiend Hunter Buy in Hand. Cast Fiend Hunter A. Fiend Hunter A resolves. Fiend Hunter A Enters the Battlefield Effect. Fiend Hunter A triggers Enter Battlefield Effect targeting Restoration Angel. Fiend Hunter A resolves Enter Battlefield Effect. Restoration Angel is Exiled. Cast Fiend Hunter B. Fiend Hunter B resolves. Fiend Hunter B Enters the Battlefield . Fiend Hunter B triggers Enter Battlefield Effect targeting Fiend Hunter A. Fiend Hunter B Enter Battlefield Effect resolves. Fiend Hunter A is Exiled. Fiend Hunter A triggers Leaves Battlefield Effect. Fiend Hunter A Leaves Battlefield Effect resolves. Restoration Angel Enters the Battlefield. Restoration Angel triggers Enter Battlefield effect targeting Fiend Hunter B. Restoration Angel Enter Battlefield Effect resolves. So then.. what happens next??? I get lost in what order the effects of Leaves Battlefield and returns it are supposed to resolve. Special Note, Ruling on Fiend Hunter: If Fiend Hunter leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted creature indefinitely. I think it's possible to do it with: 1 Restoration Angel Buy on Field, 1 Restoration Angel Buy and 1 Fiend Hunter Buy in Hand.
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HunterZero
 
Joined: 1/15/2002 Quote: "For the first time in his life, Grakk felt a little warm and fuzzy inside."
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RE: Restoration Angel + Fiend Hunter + Fiend Hunter | 5/31/2012 5:12:41 AM |
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When triggered abilities trigger, they don't go on the stack right away - they wait until just before the next time a player would received priority. Then the active player puts all the pending triggered abilities they control onto the stack in any order they choose, then the opponent does the same with theirs. So in this case, when Restoration Angel Buy's ability resolves and 'blinks' Fiend Hunter Buy B, its LTB ability triggers, then the ETB ability triggers. After Restoration Angel Buy's ability finishes resolving, you can then choose to stack these in any order you choose. You must choose valid targets for them at the time you put them onto the stack. Eg, you can choose to stack them either LTB, ETB or ETB, LTB. Now you know how to stack these, you should be able to work out your choices (which order to stack, and which targets to choose as you do so) from there. Note that when Fiend Hunter Buy B's LTB ability resolves, it will return Fiend Hunter Buy A to the battlefield, and Fiend Hunter Buy A's ETB ability will trigger (and go on the stack on top of Fiend Hunter Buy B's ETB ability if you stacked them ETB, LTB). Note as well that Fiend Hunter Buy's 2nd ability is what is called a linked ability - it is linked to the first ability. If Fiend Hunter Buyenters the battlefied, then in response to the ETB ability, it is destroyed or otherwise leaves the battlefield and its LTB ability resolves before the ETB ability resolves, then the LTB ability won't do anything because there's no object exiled by the linked ability. The ETB ability still resolves, and the target of the ETB ability gets perma-exiled. The LTB ability can only return from exile permanents removed by the ETB ability of that instance of that object on the battlefield, eg if the same Fiend Hunter Buy card leaves play, then returns to play, that Fiend Hunter Buy is a 'new' object and when it then leaves play again, that LTB ability can't see any objects removed by all previous ETB triggers, it can only see permanents exiled by the ETB abililty when it most recently entered the battlefield. Yes, you can go infinite with two Restoration Angel Buy and one Fiend Hunter Buy, and loop as many times as you choose. It won't draw the game though, because both these abilities have "may" in their text. You must choose to end the loop after repeating it N times (you choose N). 1. Restoration Angel Buy A on the battlefield 2. Cast Fiend Hunter Buy, it resolves and enters the battlefield and triggers its ETB ability. Target Restoration Angel Buy A with its ability. 3. Fiend Hunter Buy ETB ability resolves, exiles Restoration Angel Buy A. 4. Cast Restoration Angel Buy B. It resolves and enters the battlefield and triggers its ETB ability. Target Fiend Hunter Buy with its ability. 5. Restoration Angel Buy B ETB resolves and blinks Fiend Hunter Buy. Both its abilities trigger. You have a choice now how to stack the Fiend Hunter Buy abilities. 6. Stack Fiend Hunter Buy abilities LTB, ETB. Target Restoration Angel Buy B with the ETB. 7. Fiend Hunter Buy ETB ability resolves, and removes Restoration Angel Buy B 8. Fiend Hunter Buy LTB ability resolves, and returns Restoration Angel Buy A to the battlefield. Its ability triggers. 9. Put Restoration Angel Buy A's ability on the stack. Target Fiend Hunter Buy. You can now loop back to 5, alternating between exiling Restoration Angel Buy A and B. - HZ DCI MTG Rules Advisor 
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Olaf Forkbeard
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RE: RE: Restoration Angel + Fiend Hunter + Fiend Hunter | 5/31/2012 6:12:41 PM |
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That is the exact amount of detailed example and explanation I was hoping for. Thanks, cleared up all my questions.
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HunterZero
Joined: 1/15/2002 Quote: "For the first time in his life, Grakk felt a little warm and fuzzy inside."
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RE: RE: RE: Restoration Angel + Fiend Hunter + Fiend Hunter
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6/1/2012 4:57:55 AM |
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No problem! - HZ DCI MTG Rules Advisor
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